Icahn Enterprises (IEP) Q4 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Image source: The Motley Fool.

Icahn Enterprises (NASDAQ: IEP)
Q4 2024 Earnings Call
Feb 26, 2025, 10:00 a.m. ET

Contents:

• Prepared Remarks
• Questions and Answers
• Call Participants

Prepared Remarks:

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Icahn Enterprises L.P. fourth-quarter 2024 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We'll have Andrew Teno, president and CEO; Ted Papapostolou, chief financial officer; and Robert Flint, chief accounting officer.

I would now like to hand the call over to Robert Flint who will read the opening statement.

Rob Flint -- Chief Accounting Officer

Thank you, operator. The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a safe harbor for forward-looking statements we make in this presentation, including statements regarding our future performance and plans for our businesses and potential acquisitions. Forward-looking statements may be identified by words such as expects, anticipates, intends, plans, believes, seeks, estimates, will, or words of similar meaning and include, but are not limited to, statements about the expected future business and financial performance of Icahn Enterprises L.P. and its subsidiaries.

Actual events, results, and outcomes may differ materially from our expectations due to a variety of known and unknown risks, uncertainties, and other factors that are discussed in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission including economic, competitive, legal, and other factors. Accordingly, there's no assurance that our expectations will be realized. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements should circumstances change, except as otherwise required by law. This presentation also includes certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA.

Don’t miss this second chance at a potentially lucrative opportunity

Ever feel like you missed the boat in buying the most successful stocks? Then you’ll want to hear this.

On rare occasions, our expert team of analysts issues a “Double Down” stock recommendation for companies that they think are about to pop. If you’re worried you’ve already missed your chance to invest, now is the best time to buy before it’s too late. And the numbers speak for themselves:

• Nvidia: if you invested $1,000 when we doubled down in 2009, you’d have $328,354!*
• Apple: if you invested $1,000 when we doubled down in 2008, you’d have $46,837!*
• Netflix: if you invested $1,000 when we doubled down in 2004, you’d have $527,017!*

Right now, we’re issuing “Double Down” alerts for three incredible companies, and there may not be another chance like this anytime soon.

Learn more »

*Stock Advisor returns as of February 24, 2025

A reconciliation of such non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the back of this presentation. We also present indicative net asset value. Indicative net asset value includes, among other things, changes in the fair value of certain subsidiaries which are not included in our GAAP earnings. All net income and EBITDA amounts we will discuss are attributable to Icahn Enterprises unless otherwise specified.

I'll now turn it over to Andrew Teno, our chief executive officer.

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Rob, and good morning, everyone. NAV decreased $223 million from the third quarter of 2024. The two big events during the quarter were the decline in CVR Energy and an agreement to sell certain properties in our real estate segment. CVI declined by $286 million in the quarter.

As we discussed on the last call, crack spreads weakened in the fourth quarter and, when combined with a large turnaround, led CVI to cut its dividend. In response to what we believe was an attractive investment opportunity, we launched a tender offer and were successful in purchasing 878,000 shares. This is less than we had hoped for, but we will remain price sensitive and monitor conditions going forward. Recently, crack spreads have improved off their lows, which bodes well for CVI.

In addition, we are excited that the change in administration may lead to the resolution of our outstanding litigation regarding small refinery exemptions, which has the potential to remove over $300 million or more of liabilities. As a reminder, during the last Trump administration, Wynnewood received small refinery exemptions. Our real estate segment increased $292 million in the quarter. The increase was due to a combination of the sale of certain properties, which led us to fair value the remaining assets, a change from how we have valued these assets in prior periods.

The GAAP equity attributable to IEP in real estate held steady. The investment funds were down approximately 1.6% for the quarter. The biggest decliner was our investment in Caesars, and the largest gainer where our refinery hedges. We ended the quarter with $1.4 billion of cash and cash equivalents at the holding company and an additional $915 million of cash at the funds.

So, as Carl liked to say, we have a significant war chest to take advantage of opportunities as they arise. Lastly, the Board has maintained the quarterly distribution at $0.50 per depositary unit. Now, turning to our investment segment. In terms of our Top 5 disclosed names, we see considerable value creation potential.

At SWX, we see a gas utility that is closing its ROE gap to peers and separating the utility services business with significant growth opportunity. We see upside in both the gas utility and the services business. At AEP, we see new management closing its ROE gap, improving regulatory outcomes and benefiting from tremendous growth in electricity demand due to AI-driven data center demand. AEP recently announced the sale of a 20% stake in a portion of its transmission business, which helped to improve the balance sheet and was equivalent to issuing shares at a 70% premium to the then share price.

At Caesars, Carl has significant respect for Tom Reeg and what he has accomplished. We believe we are buying a great business with tremendous real estate value, a great management team that is actively buying back shares and with a growing digital business, all at a free cash flow yield greater than 15%. IFF is a high-quality ingredients company that should see improving organic revenue growth and increasing margins from new management. IFF trades at a significant discount to its peers on EV to EBITDA.

At Bausch, we see considerable value both at BHC and BLCO. The funds ended the quarter approximately 22% net long. Adjusting for our refining hedges, the fund was 35% net long. And now, I will pass it over to Ted to cover our controlled businesses.

Ted Papapostolou -- Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Andrew. I will start at our energy segment. Energy segment EBITDA was 99 million for Q4 '24, compared to 204 million in Q4 '23. This decrease was driven by reduced throughput and lower crack spreads.

Q4 '24 refining margin per throughput barrel was $8.37 compared to $15.01 in the prior-year quarter. The main drivers for the decrease is due to lower crack spreads and unfavorable market derivative and inventory valuations. Q4 '24 renewable margin per vegetable oil throughput gallon was $0.79 compared to a loss of $0.90 in the prior-year quarter. The drivers for the increase were lower cost of sales and an increase in the HOBO spread.

Q4 '24 average realized gate prices for UAN declined by 5% to $229 per ton, and ammonia increased by 3% to $475 per ton when compared to the prior-year quarter. Now, turning to our automotive segment. Our automotive business continues to lag compared to prior-year results due to the self-inflicted wounds we discussed previously. We have recently announced a permanent CEO, who has implemented new initiatives and strategies to remediate the short-term challenges we are currently experiencing.

Management's plan anticipates these challenges will be resolved, and the results to be normalized by the second half of 2025. During the quarter, a significant tenant in our automotive real estate portfolio made a strategic decision to exit certain locations. We received an early termination payment of 42 million, and we have begun marketing these locations to prospective tenants and expect to fill them within the next 24 months. We have substantially completed the exit of our aftermarket parts business, which will be completed by the end of Q1 '25.

Now, turning to our other segments. Real estate Q4 '24 adjusted EBITDA decreased by 5 million compared to the prior-year quarter, driven by reduced sales of single-family homes. Food packaging's adjusted EBITDA attributable to IEP decreased by 6 million for Q4 '24 as compared to the prior-year quarter. Volumes have increased.

However, a shift in product mix and lower pricing led to a reduction in net sales. As previously mentioned, there are opportunities to improve efficiency at the plants. However, we do not expect a meaningful impact until we execute a capital plan to modernize equipment and reduce the overall cost structure. Home fashion's adjusted EBITDA increased by 2 million as compared to the prior-year quarter, mainly driven by lower material costs and improved manufacturing efficiencies.

Pharma segment's adjusted EBITDA for Q4 '24 improved by 1 million as compared to the prior-year quarter, mainly due to higher prescription growth. Recently, one of our developmental therapies cleared a significant FDA milestone, and we have begun preparing for clinical trials. Now, turning to our liquidity. We maintain liquidity at the holding company and at each of our operating subsidiaries to take advantage of attractive opportunities.

As of quarter-end, the holding company had cash and investments in the funds of 4.1 billion, and our subsidiaries had cash and revolver availability of 1.5 billion. In summary, we continue to focus on building asset value and maintaining liquidity to enable us to capitalize on opportunities within and outside our existing operating segments. Thank you. Operator, can you please open up the call for questions?

Questions & Answers:

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] One moment for our first question. It comes from the line of Andrew Berg with Post Advisory Group. Please proceed.

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

Thank you. Yeah. Just a couple questions. With respect to the hedge funds, you guys ended with a net notional long of 22%, and I think you said it was 35% ex the energy hedges.

Can you remind me where you were at the end of the third quarter? Because I think, overall, the fund was net short 2%. I don't recall what the figure was ex the energy hedges. And are you able to provide any commentary as to what point in the quarter you had flipped that position from being slightly negative to, obviously, much greater percentage long now?

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Hey, Andrew, good morning.

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

Good morning.

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

So, if you look at the hedge fund, when you think about some of the hedges that are in there, a lot of them are due to the refining hedges. And if you looked at crack spreads and, I guess, just in general how the refining hedge is traded, when we see crack spreads come down, that's our time to take off some of those hedges. And as crack spreads go up or other refiners go up, that's when we put them back on. So, it's just being opportunistic, I'd say.

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

OK. So, at the end of the third quarter, can you -- I don't know if you have that in front of you or we need to follow up afterwards, where you were -- what that net 2% short was once we take the hedges out where you were.

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. We can follow up right after the call if you'd like.

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

OK. Great. And then with respect to the real estate segment, you had a pretty significant adjustment to the indicative net asset value for that segment. Can you kind of walk us through what was causing that jump? I know the footnote it talks about, I guess, some valuation -- third-party valuation work.

But can you kind of give us a little bit better understanding where that was and how that came about and what were the underlying drivers for such a significant increase?

Ted Papapostolou -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah. Hey, Andrew. It's Ted. Yeah.

So, prior to December 31st, we felt that GAAP book value was a good proxy for indicative asset value for the segment. And what changed in the fourth quarter is we signed an agreement to sell certain properties that far exceeded the book value. So, due to this event, we felt that the GAAP book value no longer represents the indicative fair value. So, as a result, we marked these properties to the anticipated sales price.

And to be consistent for the remaining assets within the segment, we just obtained appraisals and marked those properties accordingly. So, that's what you would see the big jump off. The driver is really like 290, but you'll see the actual absolute value is about 300 quarter over quarter.

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

Yeah. What -- what was the composition of those properties?

Ted Papapostolou -- Chief Financial Officer

You mean the fair value jump? So, the ones we have a sale agreement in place, I would say it's about approximately a $200 million increase due to those properties. And the rest of the portfolio, just broad strokes, is about 90 million.

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

With some of them going up and some going down.

Ted Papapostolou -- Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, that's an added adjustment.

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

Was this primarily raw land, or was it retail, office, industrial? I'm just trying to get a better sense -- single-family home -- of what was the underlying assets that were so much higher than where you had it marked.

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

I think we mentioned on the last call that there was some properties that we were looking at. I think it's at the press.

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

Say that again? I'm sorry.

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. We mentioned it on our last call, you know, that we were exploring the sale of certain properties. So, I think if you were to reference those comments, you'd see where they are.

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

OK. I'll go back and look. I don't recall what kind of -- what type of properties those were. Thank you.

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

OK.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator instructions] All right. As I see no further questions in the queue, I will turn it back to Andrew Teno for final remarks.

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. So, I'd like to leave with a reminder that here at Icahn Enterprises, we are intensely focused on our activism strategy. We have unique advantages, including the Icahn brand name and a long history and willingness to wage proxy contest. It is this track record which frequently allows us to be invited to join boards and work cooperatively with our fellow directors to make the key changes that will drive shareholder value.

Furthermore, given our balance sheet, liquidity, and permanent capital structure, we have the ability to tender for entire businesses, a tool most simply do not possess. Though our returns can be lumpy and dissatisfying at times as we continue to focus on our activist efforts at both our investment segment and controlled businesses, we believe they will bear fruit for all unitholders. We'll speak soon. Bye.

Operator

[Operator signoff]

Duration: 0 minutes

Call participants:

Rob Flint -- Chief Accounting Officer

Andrew Teno -- President and Chief Executive Officer

Ted Papapostolou -- Chief Financial Officer

Andrew Berg -- Post Advisory Group -- Analyst

More IEP analysis

All earnings call transcripts

This article is a transcript of this conference call produced for The Motley Fool. While we strive for our Foolish Best, there may be errors, omissions, or inaccuracies in this transcript. As with all our articles, The Motley Fool does not assume any responsibility for your use of this content, and we strongly encourage you to do your own research, including listening to the call yourself and reading the company's SEC filings. Please see our Terms and Conditions for additional details, including our Obligatory Capitalized Disclaimers of Liability.

The Motley Fool has no position in any of the stocks mentioned. The Motley Fool has a disclosure policy.